And this is where the conversation became more interesting. He went on to say that the thing that made him remember the 'right' answer, and feel confident that it was OK to withhold antibiotics, was me saying that everyone is bacteraemic whenever they brush their teeth. So if you are going to give antibiotics for this procedure then you should probably consider giving them everytime you brush your teeth. This information allowed him to create an alternative narrative that had equal mental validity with his prior experience. My advice could now sit comfortable in his mental model of the world.
I had a similar experience today when reviewing the latest NICE guidance on the relative risks of different antibiotics for causing C difficile. Not unexpectedly, 3rd generation cephalosporins are high risk. I was pleased to see carbapenems as quite high risk (this is what I wanted to hear). I was also pleased that first generation cephalosporins are low risk, while co-amoxiclav is high risk (we somewhat controversially recommend cefalexin as first line oral option for pyelonephritis in the community). So that was all good. But then trimethoprim came in at high risk. Not what I was expecting, and not what I really wanted to see as it starts to challenge the order of antibiotics we recommend for many infections. My response? I have ignored it. Well, not quite, but I know that I don't believe it. The only way I would believe it is to be taken to the cases of patients who had a clear diagnosis of C diff, and then to be shown the offending trimethoprim prescription. And then for this process to continue until basically my mental model collapsed and I had to rebuild a new truth.
And here we see two powerful ways of tackling dissonance. One is to provide a story which has sufficient power to immediately override prior assumptions. This can be a new piece of evidence, or it could be a single highly emotional patient history. The other way is to take people to the data, and show them it until they accept its validity and their defences collapse. But they have to do this for themselves - meta-analyses will never work.
So in that spirit, I have started adding some statements to some revised UTI guidelines we are writing. This is also bearing in mind the comments of Alison Holmes at the recent ECCMID conference, that we need to talk much more about general principles of stewardship, and worry much less about specifics. The idea is to try to find things that may have the power to immediately shift people's view of the world. This is normative change. Here are some starters - some are general things, some are specific to our local guidelines. I would love to hear some feedback on these, and please feel free to contribute more.
Single doses of antibiotics are often effective
A single dose of any antibiotic is an effective
treatment for UTI in most patients. Therapeutic concentrations will be reached for
at least 12-24 hours. This is sufficient to achieve cure in over two thirds of
patients.
This has been shown for acute
cystitis using the following agents:
Amoxicillin Harbord
RB et al (1981) BMJ 283, 1301-2
Septrin Gossius G (1984) Scand J Infect Dis 16, 373
Quinolones Saginur R et al. (1992) Arch Intern Med152 1233-7Tetracycline Rosenstock J et al (1985) Antimicrob Agents Chemother. 27 652-4
Nitrofurantoin Gossius G (1984) Curr Ther Res 35, 925-3
Cefaclor Greenberg RN (1981) Am J Med 71, 841-5
Wong ES (1985) Ann Intern Med 102, 302-7
UTI symptoms may resolve spontaneously
Up to 50% of women with UTI symptoms recover spontaneously within a week
Mody L (2014) JAMA 311, 844-54
What do others do when trying to diagnose infection in elderly patients
with vague symptoms?
A negative dipstick (no nitrites or pyuria) effectively rules out infection in elderly women
Mody L (2014) JAMA 311, 844-54
It is reasonable to observe elderly patients with
non-specific symptoms, while correcting hydration and reviewing medication. If,
after 24 hours, an infection remains possible, then a dipstick may help in
deciding whether to send an MSU, and this result may then guide treatment.
Mody L (2014) JAMA 311, 844-54
Dipsticks are completely pointless in catheterised patients. Even with the best catheter care, 1 in 20 catheters will become colonised with bacteria every day. Long term catheters are almost all colonised with bacteria. Culture is only useful in detecting resistant bacteria, not in making the diagnosis.
Breitenbucher RB (1984) Arch
Intern Med144 1585-8
What are the best antibiotics
to treat UTI?
Wie
SH (2014) Clin Microb Infect 20, 1211-8
Cefalexin is an effective treatment for UTI in
Clostridium difficile infection: risk with broad-spectrum antibiotics. NICE 2015
What are the downsides of prescribing abx?
Antibiotic resistance is a predictable and very
common adverse drug reaction.
Resistant pathogenic bacteria can be detected in one
third of patients after antibiotic treatment in hospital.
Gorska
et al (2015) ECCMID O001 oral session
Your normal flora might be worth looking after. They may prevent more serious infection :Mice challenged with S. aureus a week before being given influenza are MORE like to survive
Guery
et al (2015) ECCMID O001 oral session
Your normal flora might be worth looking after,
particularly in children. They may
promote a more normal inflammatory response to allergens in the lung, perhaps
reducing the risk of asthma. Guery et
al (2015) ECCMID O001 oral session
Your normal flora might be worth looking after. Abnormal bacteria in the gut have been associated with many diseases, from obesity to Crohns disease. Antibiotic treatment induces profound effects in metabolism. Perez-Cobas (2013) Gut 62, 1591
Every dose of antibiotic is a role of the dice - there is a chance that beneficial bacteria may be lost; and harmful bacteria may be gained. The effects of ciprofloxacin are unpredictable, and may sometimes be profound and long lasting, and of unknown physiological relevance Dethlefeson (2011) PNAS108, 4554
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